{"id":71612,"date":"2014-05-21T22:58:52","date_gmt":"2014-05-22T02:58:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/?p=71612"},"modified":"2014-05-21T23:23:50","modified_gmt":"2014-05-22T03:23:50","slug":"robert-creeley-the-dishonest-mailmen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/2014\/05\/21\/robert-creeley-the-dishonest-mailmen\/","title":{"rendered":"Robert Creeley\u2019s \u201cThe Dishonest Mailmen\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_71613\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/creeley.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-71613\" class=\"wp-image-71613\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/creeley.jpg\" alt=\"Creeley\" width=\"600\" height=\"463\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/creeley.jpg 650w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/05\/creeley-300x231.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-71613\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Robert Creeley by Elsa Dorfman, 1972. Photo via Wikimedia Commons<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I first came across \u201cThe Dishonest Mailmen\u201d my sophomore year of college, when, having become so enamored of Robert Creeley\u2019s oft-anthologized poem \u201cI Know a Man,\u201d I decided to buy a new edition of his collected poems\u2014an indulgence, for someone without an income who was supposed to be reading Milton. (For the record, I carry around a lot of guilt about shrugging off Milton.)<\/p>\n<p>I read \u201cThe Dishonest Mailmen\u201d and identified with it immediately for reasons I didn\u2019t understand, and indeed for reasons that specifically elude understanding. In its fifty-some words, it conjured equal measures of anger, tenderness, and apathy, an intoxicating combination \u2026 \u201cfor a student,\u201d I almost wrote, but what I mean is for anyone. Still, there\u2019s something in that couplet\u2014\u201cI see the flames, etc. \/ But do not care, etc.\u201d\u2014that remains to me the most profound evocation of a heart-heavy nihilism that seems to afflict people exclusively in their late teens. Mainly, let\u2019s be honest, it afflicts white guys studying literature in their late teens, who don\u2019t know what to do with themselves or how to talk to people or how to live unselfishly, and who are able to voice this not-knowing with increasing, brooding eloquence, and who are thus infuriating to themselves and others. <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>In Creeley\u2019s poem, the offhandedness of that \u201cetc.,\u201d which appears three times, is a more compact <em>whatever<\/em> than <em>whatever<\/em> itself\u2014more effective than an eye-roll or the lassitude in a plume of cigarette smoke. It summons all the disaffection and paranoia of any undergrad ever to loiter on the steps of some hallowed hall on some hallowed campus in some hallowed college town. \u201cI don\u2019t care, etc.\u201d: exactly. It\u2019s all that punk-rock acedia without the sneering. It\u2019s a fact. It is, just as it says it is, \u201cThe poem supreme, addressed to emptiness.\u201d When you\u2019re nineteen, someone is always taking all your letters and putting them in the fire. But, again, wait, hell, it\u2019s not just when you\u2019re nineteen\u2014we\u2019re all encountering dishonest mailmen every year of our lives. We try to communicate and fail. We see the flames, etc.<\/p>\n<p>When Creeley\u2014who was, to give this post a belated peg, born today in 1926\u2014reads the poem aloud, you understand better the small wonders he\u2019s able to work with rhythm and enjambment:<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/dHLUlPa5lAI?rel=0\" width=\"600\" height=\"450\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>As he says in his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/interviews\/4241\/the-art-of-poetry-no-10-robert-creeley\" target=\"_blank\">Art of Poetry interview<\/a> from 1968,<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>I would be very much cheered to realize that someone had felt what I had been feeling in writing\u2014I would be very much reassured that someone had felt <em>with<\/em> me in that writing. Yet this can&#8217;t be the context of my own writing. Later I may have horrible doubts indeed as to whether it will ever be read by other persons, but it can never enter importantly into my writing. So I cannot say that communication in the sense of \u201ctelling someone\u201d is what I&#8217;m engaged with. In writing I&#8217;m telling something to myself, curiously, that I didn&#8217;t have the knowing of previously \u2026 I write what I don&#8217;t know. <em>Communication<\/em> is a word one would have to spend much time defining. For example, can you make a blind man see? That has always been a question in my own mind. And if it is true that you cannot tell someone something he has no experience of, then the act of reading is that one is reading <em>with<\/em> someone. I feel when people read my poems most sympathetically, they are reading <em>with<\/em> me. So communication is mutual feeling with someone, not a didactic process of information.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>That\u2019s precisely what\u2019s on offer in \u201cThe Dishonest Mailmen\u201d: a mutual feeling of something neither the poet nor his reader knows.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>They are taking all my letters, and they put them into a fire.<br \/>I see the flames, etc.<br \/>But do not care, etc.<br \/>They burn everything I have, or what little <br \/>I have. I don\u2019t care, etc.<br \/>The poem supreme, addressed to <br \/>emptiness\u2014this is the courage<br \/>necessary. 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