{"id":6066,"date":"2010-10-08T16:18:12","date_gmt":"2010-10-08T20:18:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/?p=6066"},"modified":"2010-10-12T12:24:23","modified_gmt":"2010-10-12T16:24:23","slug":"responding-to-lydia-davis-exercises-in-style","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/2010\/10\/08\/responding-to-lydia-davis-exercises-in-style\/","title":{"rendered":"Responding to Lydia Davis: Exercises in Style"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/lydiadavis_blog.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/lydiadavis_blog.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"lydiadavis_blog\" width=\"270\" height=\"405\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-6131\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/lydiadavis_blog.jpg 270w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/10\/lydiadavis_blog-200x300.jpg 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>For the last three weeks, Lydia Davis <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/author\/ldavis\/\">has shared her thoughts and experiences<\/a> in translating Gustave Flaubert\u2019s <\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Madame-Bovary-Gustave-Flaubert\/dp\/0670022071\/\">Madame Bovary<\/a>.<em> She writes, \u201cI did not study the other translations during my first draft because I had to establish my own style and my own understanding of what I was reading before I could risk the rhythms and eccentricities of the others striking my ear and possibly creeping into my prose.\u201d We asked others to weigh in on the matter from their own work in the field. Here is what they had to say. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>Edith Grossman, translator: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I admire Lydia Davis\u2019s writing, and it is always extremely interesting to learn how another translator works, especially one as eloquent as Davis. I don\u2019t often have the opportunity to read about another translator\u2019s methods and attitudes toward the work, and I was intrigued by her essay.<\/p>\n<p>The one point on which I disagree with her absolutely concerns reading other people\u2019s translations. Although most of my translations, like hers, have been of texts not previously brought over into English, in the past few years I\u2019ve had occasion to translate classic Spanish works, each of which has had countless versions in English. But it always seemed crucially important to me not to consult them or study them\u2014to what end, I asked myself, when the point of a new translation is to be a new translation, with a fresh voice and a different point of view.<\/p>\n<p>On the other hand, I agree with her absolutely regarding the importance of the translator\u2019s ability to write the second language. Hearing the first text, and finding appropriate phrasing that recreates its tonalities and intention in the second, is the fundamental translating skill. Nothing else compares.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m curious about her not reading the entire text before beginning the translation. Even though she states her reasons, I still don\u2019t quite understand why she doesn&#8217;t. We are the translators, after all, not ordinary readers, and we have a different kind of obligation to the text.<\/p>\n<p>I assume there are seven translating sins to match the seven mortal ones. I\u2019ve never thought about this in terms of sins, deadly or otherwise, but I imagine the first\u2014right up there with pride\u2014is having a tin ear in English.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Wyatt Mason, translator and critic: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Every translation is an interpretation. As with all acts of literary criticism of which translation is only the most thoroughgoing, there are richer and poorer specimens. Not unreasonably, when a translation doesn&#8217;t seem to cohere, when its parts do not quite cleave together, we look at its string of choices and worry its beads one by one. This is not heavy work. Any state trooper with a bilingual dictionary can ticket any translation for the betrayal of its original. A more complicated undertaking is to divine why, when a translation does cohere, it does cohere. The same trooper with the same bilingual dictionary will, as often as not, discover that the coherent translation is no less a word by word betrayal of its original than its incoherent demon twin. To succeed, then, a translation depends as much upon deliberate choices as upon indiscriminate magic. A steady accretion of dutiful particulars cannot alone compound into something finer than the merely finely wrought: Fine writing is not made by magic, only industry. The magic of the achieved work of literary art, whether borrowed or made, is always nested deeper than its visible pieces. The magic of the achieved translation, like its maker, and no less inexplicably, is that it is a thing that possesses a living soul, or does not.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p> <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Ethan Nosowsky, editor:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>To Lydia Davis\u2019s list of requirements for a good translation I would add a fourth: the translator\u2019s ability to read. Davis\u2019s own process, described later in her useful essay, makes room for this: \u201cI had to establish my own style and my own understanding of what I was reading.\u201d This seems to me essential. Whenever I&#8217;m looking to hire a translator, especially for a book that has some stylistic or narrative complexity, I hope to find someone whose critical faculties are acute. A translator needs to be attuned to the architecture of a book, to both metaphoric and musical patterning, to the elaboration of images. It seems to me impossible to properly convey subject or style or theme without an intimate understanding of the technical aspects of the way a given book is put together.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Natasha Wimmer, translator: <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>As it happens, the first translation I read that struck me as obviously bad was a translation of <em>Madame Bovary<\/em>. I have no idea who the translator was. The edition was old-fashioned, illustrated, something I picked up in a second-hand store. It seems unlikely, but by then I think I was already a translator myself. Despite this, I was only just beginning to be aware of translated books as translations. In high school and college I read any number of novels in translation, especially from the French and Russian. I have no doubt that some of the translations were mediocre, but like Lydia, it never occurred to me that my experience of the novel might have something to do with the translator\u2019s rendition of it. Now I wonder: did I dislike <em>Anna Karenina<\/em> because I read it in a bad translation? Did I love <em>The Brothers Karamazov<\/em> because the translation was great? Actually, I doubt it. A translation has to be be egregiously bad to grate on an eager reader with little knowledge of the original language, or at least that\u2019s been my experience.<\/p>\n<p>But once I became really <em>aware<\/em> of translation, my experience changed. Now, sadly, I find it painful (sometimes only slightly painful and sometimes miserably so) to read anything in translation\u2014especially translation from the Spanish. I hesitate to admit this, for obvious reasons. And it\u2019s somewhat unfair, because I\u2019ve had a modified version of the same problem reading English-language fiction lately. So it may just be that I\u2019m not as easily swept away as I used to be, which is sad too, but not pertinent here.  <\/p>\n<p>As a translator, then, I suppose I put my faith in the eager reader mentioned above, as opposed to the jaded professional reader.  I aspire to win over the latter, but it may be that the success of translation requires a certain blind faith and trust in narrative that some readers can no longer muster. As Lydia says (and here I one hundred per cent concur): \u201cTranslating is arduous, frustrating, time-consuming. Even a bad one can\u2019t be dashed off.\u201d Once you become aware of that behind-the-scenes labor, the reading experience, too, threatens to become arduous and frustrating.  <\/p>\n<p>In translating for the eager reader, I\u2019ve developed my own list of Translation Sins, though I never quite formulated it that way. Most deadly of these (even my Number 1?) is Being Too Cautious (or, to put it another way, Too Faithful). As a naturally cautious person, it was initially difficult for me to let go, but I\u2019ve loosened up over the years. It\u2019s been helpful to me to think of novels as texts that\u2014once they leave the writer\u2019s hands\u2014become the mutable property of their readers, and by the same logic, their translators. I never fetishized the book as object (my paperbacks are inevitably wrecked), and I\u2019ve come to believe that a bit of lovingly careless treatment won\u2019t hurt the text in translation either, and might even benefit it.  <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>See Also: \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/2010\/10\/04\/the-sins-of-a-translator\/\">The Sins of a Translator<\/a>\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_0_14?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&#038;field-keywords=edith+grossman&#038;sprefix=edith+grossman\">Edith Grossman<\/a> is an award-winning translator and the author, most recently<\/em>, of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Why-Translation-Matters\/dp\/0300126565\/\">Why Translation Matters<\/a><em>. Wyatt Mason is a contributor to<\/em> Harper\u2019s Magazine, The New York Times Magazine, The New Yorker, <em>and<\/em> The New Republic. <em>Ethan Nosowsky is the editor-at-large for <a href=\"http:\/\/www.graywolfpress.org\/\">Graywolf Press<\/a>. Click <a href=\"http:\/\/www.graywolfpress.org\/component\/option,com_philaform\/Itemid,0\/form_id,1\/\">here<\/a> to request their spring catalogue. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/s\/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&#038;field-keywords=Natasha+Wimmer&#038;x=0&#038;y=0\">Natasha Wimmer<\/a> has translated novels by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Roberto-Bolano\/e\/B001H6WAI6\/\">Roberto Bola\u00f1o<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Letters-Young-Novelist-Mario-Vargas\/dp\/0312421729\/\">Mario Vargas Llosa<\/a>, among others. <\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For the last three weeks, Lydia Davis has shared her thoughts and experiences in translating Gustave Flaubert\u2019s Madame Bovary. 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