{"id":57024,"date":"2013-08-01T13:28:33","date_gmt":"2013-08-01T17:28:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/?p=57024"},"modified":"2013-08-01T16:44:40","modified_gmt":"2013-08-01T20:44:40","slug":"the-eyes-have-it-a-visit-with-lisa-hanawalt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/2013\/08\/01\/the-eyes-have-it-a-visit-with-lisa-hanawalt\/","title":{"rendered":"The Eyes Have It: A Visit with Lisa Hanawalt"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/hedder.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-57139\" alt=\"hedder\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/hedder.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/hedder.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/07\/hedder-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a><i>If the title of her \u201cone-woman anthology\u201d of comics is to be believed, Lisa Hanawalt\u2019s eyes are dirty and dumb. We should all be so lucky: according to <\/i>My Dirty Dumb Eyes<i>, they allow her to imagine fashionable animals in haute-couture hats, give her insight into the secret lives of chefs (did you know that \u201cMark Bittman is a vegan before 6 <small>P.M.<\/small> and a cannibal after 11 <small>P.M.<\/small>\u201d?), and help her envision some unconventional uses for wedding registry gifts.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>With its leitmotif blend of whimsy, wistfulness, and a touch of scatology, the book is funny and life-of-the-party loud. In person, however, Hanawalt is a little shy and a little earnest. It\u2019s not that she takes herself seriously\u2014it\u2019s just that talking about her work seems to feel a little weird. Which is not to say that her comics are improvised or intuitive; in fact, she maintains a running list of ideas with Notational Velocity, working and reworking concepts until they are just right. This demands patience and perseverance: sometimes the idea lies dormant for years until it\u2019s finally time for it to come out and play.<\/i><\/p>\n<p><i>When we met last month in her Greenpoint studio, Hanawalt proudly showed off her Wacom Cintiq, \u201cthe most incredible modern invention\u2014besides a dishwasher\u201d she\u2019s ever owned (it\u2019s an interactive pen that allows her to draw and edit directly on her computer screen), talked about some of her recent comics (\u201cIt\u2019s all toilet-based humor\u201d), and considered life after art school (she went to UCLA) and the differences between LA and NY. \u00a0\u00a0<\/i><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Cover.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-57142\" alt=\"Cover\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Cover.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Cover.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Cover-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>I think the way I was looking at this book was like, This is the world through my eyes. That was the easiest way to explain what the hell this book was. I couldn\u2019t point to another book, and be like, That\u2019s the book I\u2019m going to make. So okay, the world through my eyes, what is that world? Well, I see a lot of dirty stuff, and I see a lot of dumb stuff. And it\u2019s sort of just me, trying to be more debased or humorous as a way of entertaining myself. <!--more--><\/p>\n<p>I just wanted some pieces that weren\u2019t narrative. Just two-page spreads that relate to some of the other comics in the book. This is the most fun thing for me to draw. Comics take a lot of energy. I have to write them, storyboard them, then make sure that they actually work as narrative. And this is my relaxation, where I can still feel like I\u2019m working, but I can kind of put my brain on autopilot a little bit. I can just pick one theme, like, There are dogs, they live in the jungle, what kind of house do they live in? and just have fun. I think a lot of time, when I\u2019m making art, I\u2019m trying to get into a state of childlike play, where I\u2019m not self-conscious, I\u2019m not worried about what the outcome is going to be. I\u2019m just having fun. With these, I think I key into that quicker than with any other sort of work.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/paints.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-57143\" alt=\"paints\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/paints.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/paints.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/paints-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>I\u2019ve always liked writing. Even when I was in art school and thought I was going to be a gallery painter, I liked to pair my artwork with writing. And so that naturally led to drawing comics. I like to tell stories. I like to work out things I\u2019m going through in my life and hide them in fictional stories. This piece that I\u2019m working on now, about cowboys, it came from this thought I had. I like to watch westerns, but I think about the fact that they ride horses in westerns a lot, because I love horses. But they hardly ever acknowledge them or discuss the fact that this is their primary mode of transportation, and so in this story I am exploring the genre while acknowledging that, and it\u2019s a conversation between the rider and his horse while he\u2019s being chased by a vague group of people. You never quite see the bad guys or find out who they are. So it\u2019s like a reverse of the standard western story.<\/p>\n<p>Often I\u2019ll get an idea from watching a movie. This one, I was watching <i>The Misfits<\/i>, which is Marilyn Monroe\u2019s last movie, and there\u2019s this part where they are trying to capture the wild horses. So I kind of took off from that, and turned the people into dogs, and made the horse much bigger, and added helicopters just to make it more modern and exciting. I watch a lot of action movies too.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/flies.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-57144\" alt=\"flies\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/flies.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/flies.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/flies-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>I think shifting the focus is part of what I do in the movie reviews I write, as well. I love watching movies, even really stupid movies. And I really enjoy them, but I also like to sort of pick out what\u2019s ridiculous about them and kind of make up my own little ideas. It\u2019s all about making funny connections for me.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve always drawn a lot. When I was five, six, I drew myself as a cat a lot, because I was obsessed with cats. And then, as soon as I took my first riding lesson, I started drawing horses. I switched from cats to horses. I think I drew as a way to keep myself from getting bored in class. At first, my teachers got mad at me, but then I think they realized it was my way of listening\u2014I couldn\u2019t pay attention unless I was drawing. So I quickly became one of the best drawers in the school, I was the girl who drew all the time. And I never really stopped.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/parrot.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-57145\" alt=\"parrot\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/parrot.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/parrot.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/parrot-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>I think I see myself as both things, a cartoonist and an artist. It kind of depends on who I\u2019m talking to, who I introduce myself as. If I\u2019m talking to a comedian, then I\u2019ll say I\u2019m a cartoonist, because that implies that I write and I\u2019m funny, and I have more of a connection to them. If I\u2019m talking to a designer, I\u2019ll say I\u2019m an illustrator, because that\u2019s something that they\u2019ll understand more. But I do everything. I haven\u2019t done a lot of shows for galleries. It turns out it\u2019s really hard to do that. And even though in art school they are sort of prepping you for that and that seems to be the expectation, they don\u2019t quite explain that you don\u2019t immediately have solo shows in Chelsea when you graduate. And I was doing little zines and stuff the whole time I was in college, so it didn\u2019t feel like a transition, it didn\u2019t feel like, Oh, I\u2019m just going to stop drawing and start doing comics. Because I never stopped or started either. This whole time I\u2019ve continued to make large drawings. It\u2019s just when I was in college I made six-foot-tall paintings. My scale has gotten a little smaller.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/monitor.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-57146\" alt=\"monitor\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/monitor.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/monitor.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/monitor-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>I like to read a lot, so the writing part grew out of that. I always kept a diary. And when I was in high school, I had a LiveJournal, and I wrote in it everyday. It\u2019s funny now, because LiveJournal is so lame, but I think it really helped me learn how to write, how to take an experience and make it into something that was like a story.<\/p>\n<p>Often, it starts with me writing. Just scribbling down some ideas, and I\u2019ll write down several bullet points that I\u2019d like to have in the story. <i>Oh, maybe the guy dies at the end<\/i>, I\u2019ll just write that down real quick. And maybe some phrases that I want to be said during the comic. It really isn\u2019t a beginning-to-end thing. I\u2019ll just fill in as I go, and maybe between pages six and seven, I\u2019ll think there needs to be something else, and I\u2019ll add that in. It\u2019s very much a collage process. And then I\u2019ll sketch it out, and write in the words, and try not to worry about it too much because I know I can go back and change it, and it\u2019s just a first draft. With comics, I\u2019ll tend to try and say less, because I want to show, not tell, what\u2019s happening. So I try not to use too much text. Unless that is a character trait\u2014that a character talks too much.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Books.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-57147\" alt=\"Books\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Books.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Books.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Books-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>If I get an idea, and it makes me either laugh or I think it\u2019s going to be funny, I try to figure out how to do it. Sometimes, the idea is fully formed, and I just have to figure out if I need to add anything and make sure it\u2019s not too clich\u00e9 or something. It really depends\u2014some comics I\u2019ll start and then I\u2019ll let them sit in a file for months, because they don\u2019t quite work. I have things in my book that were ideas in my written-ideas-folder for years before I actually decided they were worth drawing. On my computer, I have this program Notational Velocity, and it\u2019s just like notes and notes, and it\u2019s a mess, but I just have comics ideas and movie reviews. It\u2019s nice because I can search by word. So when <i>Lucky Peach<\/i> came to me, and they said, We want you to do something, I was like, I wonder if I have any food-related ideas, and I looked it up, and I had this whole thing about the secret lives of chefs. And it\u2019s like, I had this idea for a year, but now let\u2019s turn it into a comic. Sometimes, I wish there was more in there. That\u2019s the hardest part for me, just writing down ideas when I have them, no matter how stupid they are. I\u2019ll always get ideas as I\u2019m falling asleep at night, and it\u2019s such a drag to get up and write it down, but I\u2019m always glad when I do, even if it\u2019s nonsense. Usually it turns into something.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/tiger.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-57148\" alt=\"tiger\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/tiger.jpeg\" width=\"240\" height=\"320\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/tiger.jpeg 240w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/tiger-225x300.jpeg 225w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>I\u2019m not a diary cartoonist, the way some people are. I really like diary comics, I just can\u2019t draw that way. I\u2019ve tried, and it just doesn\u2019t feel right to me. The closest I\u2019ll get to that is to mask myself as a moose or something. The things where I draw myself as an animal are the most personal, the most autobiographical.<\/p>\n<p>I like doing funny stuff, but I\u2019m also experimenting more and more with doing stuff that\u2019s sad. I think that\u2019s much harder. Because if you do something that\u2019s supposed to be sad or emotional, I think it could quite easily feel false, or it just wouldn\u2019t work, and it would be boring at its very worst. I have certain things in the book that the editor would say, Well, this one isn\u2019t very funny, or, It\u2019s not as funny as the other ones, and I\u2019d say, I\u2019m okay with that, I want to throw that in there. I think it grounds the humor a little bit to have comics that are more about anxiety or sadness.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve been in Brooklyn for four years. When I was in LA, I drew a lot more cars and car accidents. And when I first moved here, I drew a lot of scenes that took place on the subway. I guess modes of transportation are a huge thing in my work for some reason. I haven\u2019t figured out why yet. I think it\u2019s because I kind of don\u2019t like to travel, I don\u2019t like to go places, I kind of just like to stay in one place. So I think about that a lot.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/wood-fly.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-57149\" alt=\"wood fly\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/wood-fly.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/wood-fly.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/wood-fly-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>I have four studio mates: John, Chris, Sam, and Roy. We all work very individually. These guys have been in here much longer than me, I just joined last fall. But we definitely ask each other for input sometimes. It\u2019s nice to be in the studio for that reason. Before I was in here, a year before, I was in a studio with six female cartoonists. Pizza Island was the name of that studio. It was different, because it was much smaller, and we were all crammed in, and our desks were so close to each other, and the guys here talk about their periods a little less. But it had a similar impact on me, as far as being able to turn around and say, Hey, what do you think of this? What should I do now? I\u2019d never really been in a studio environment before then, since school.<\/p>\n<p>I try to come in every day. It\u2019s funny, when I was in the previous studio, I definitely worked half there, and half at home. But, with this, I really try to have all of my work be here. Partly as an anxiety thing, so I can go home and really turn off the part of my brain that thinks about work all the time. I think that\u2019s the problem with being freelance, I\u2019m always kind of working and thinking about work. So not having a drawing table at home has kind of helped me shut off.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/cutouts.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-full wp-image-57150\" alt=\"cutouts\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/cutouts.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/cutouts.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/cutouts-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>Typically I come in kind of late, around eleven or so. And I\u2019ll usually just noodle around on my computer for an hour, and then I\u2019ll get to work. It totally depends on what I\u2019m working on. When I was doing some character design stuff, I was in here early every day and left at six. But when I\u2019m doing my own projects, I could stay here till eleven at night or I could leave early, it really depends on how I\u2019m feeling that day, if I\u2019m feeling creative or not.<\/p>\n<p>I mostly look at Twitter. I read the fashion blogs. I read the news. I look at Tumblr. Maybe I\u2019ll look at blogs with more images so that I can think about how to start making some of my own and stop looking at the Internet. The most inspiring images to me are always landscapes of nature, probably because I live in the city. I want what I can\u2019t have, and I want sprawling green landscapes and forests and stuff. A lot of my work tends to be very nature-based.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/elephant.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-57151\" alt=\"elephant\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/elephant.jpeg\" width=\"320\" height=\"240\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/elephant.jpeg 320w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/elephant-300x225.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><\/a>I think with the Internet, and looking at Tumblr, there is just a constant flow of images. My brain just feels like a blender of all that stuff. It\u2019s exciting, and it\u2019s also fatiguing. I think it sometimes creates the sense that everyone is constantly creating content and putting it online, and I feel pressure to do the same. Yesterday, I was feeling frustrated, because there is so much pressure to have a regular stream of content online, and then to have a separate stream of content that is not online that then becomes a book that is all previously unpublished material. And my book is obviously stuff that\u2019s been published before online, there\u2019s just forty pages of stuff that hasn\u2019t been published before. And hopefully people won\u2019t care that much. It\u2019s just too much, making work takes so much time, I can\u2019t do both all the time.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t know that I\u2019ll ever do a six-hundred page graphic novel, but I am writing longer and longer stories. I mean, in this book, most of the short fictional pieces are quite short. I think I\u2019ll start expanding those as I get more comfortable doing that. But I also want to do some longer journalistic pieces. I think I\u2019ll always have this one-woman-anthology approach, that\u2019s just the way I work, it\u2019s always going to be a grab-bag of styles, and hopefully it will all thematically tie into each other in some way.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>If the title of her \u201cone-woman anthology\u201d of comics is to be believed, Lisa Hanawalt\u2019s eyes are dirty and dumb. 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