{"id":16507,"date":"2011-06-03T11:51:58","date_gmt":"2011-06-03T15:51:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/?p=16507"},"modified":"2011-06-06T13:49:23","modified_gmt":"2011-06-06T17:49:23","slug":"joe-dunthorne-on-submarine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/2011\/06\/03\/joe-dunthorne-on-submarine\/","title":{"rendered":"Joe Dunthorne on \u2018Submarine\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_16516\" style=\"width: 584px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-16516\" src=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/submarine_1.jpg\" alt=\"\" title=\"Craig Roberts as Oliver Tate. \" width=\"574\" height=\"344\" class=\"size-full wp-image-16516\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/submarine_1.jpg 574w, https:\/\/www.theparisreview.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/submarine_1-300x179.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (min-width: 62.5em) 67vw, 100vw\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-16516\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Craig Roberts plays Oliver Tate. <\/p><\/div>\n<p><em>Novelist Joe Dunthorne\u2019s delightfully British debut, <\/em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Submarine-Novel-JOE-DUNTHORNE\/dp\/0812978390\/\">Submarine<\/a><em>, is told from the point of view of teenager Oliver Tate, whose twin mission is to lose his virginity by his sixteenth birthday and to salvage his parents\u2019 ailing marriage. The <a href=\"http:\/\/weinsteinco.com\/sites\/submarine\/\">film version<\/a>, which was\u00a0adapted\u00a0by Richard Ayoade, was picked up by\u00a0Harvey Weinstein and Ben Stiller and opens today in the U.S. I spoke with Dunthorne not long ago about his experience working with Ayoade and the process of adaptation.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Harvey Weinstein is notorious for cutting films to make them more palatable. Have there been any significant changes to the film ahead of the American release?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>One thing they\u2019ve added is a card at the start saying something along the lines of \u201c<em>Dear Americans, I am Oliver Tate. I come from a country called Wales, which is near England. You may have heard of famous Welsh people like Catherine Zeta Jones and Anthony Hopkins. You have never invaded Wales, and for that we are thankful<\/em>\u201d and so on. It\u2019s a kind of introductory card, which is written by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.imdb.com\/name\/nm1547964\/\">Richard Ayoade<\/a>, the director, at Mr. Weinstein\u2019s suggestion, and the idea seems to be that it needed signposting as a comedy. Whether that\u2019s a judgment on the book, or the film, or American audiences, who knows!<\/p>\n<p><strong>At least they didn\u2019t do a <em>Trainspotting<\/em> and subtitle it \u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>The Welsh accents weren\u2019t quite thick enough to warrant that. <em>Trainspotting<\/em> is an interesting link though, because it showed that something may be key to the novel but that doesn\u2019t necessarily make it key to the film. You know how in the book of <em>Trainspotting<\/em> there\u2019s that absolutely crucial scene where Begbie meets his father down by the train tracks\u2014which is where the title comes from\u2014well, Danny Boyle did away with that. There was something I felt was key in <em>Submarine<\/em> the novel, namely the revenge of Zoe, the fat girl whom Oliver and his friends bully, but with the film script, it suddenly became expendable. In the book, it\u2019s when Oliver gets his comeuppance for being a bit of a shit, so it\u2019s important in terms of his \u201ccoming of age,\u201d but for the film it felt too peripheral.<\/p>\n<p>What you end up asking yourself is, is there room in a film for something that sits at that sort of tangent to the narrative? A scene that\u2019s somehow faraway from the story but remains important. Maybe not. Maybe it\u2019s something to do with the linearity of film, or maybe simply the two or so hours of viewing time doesn\u2019t allow for those sorts of digressions.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><strong>Did you find the experience of being adapted to the screen useful for what you\u2019re writing now?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Absolutely, I think so. It\u2019s hard to ever have much distance from what you\u2019re engaged in writing, so it was great to have someone come and say, This is the essence of your story. With my second novel, <em>Wild Abandon<\/em>, which I\u2019m finalizing at the moment, I wanted to write something that was more conscious of plot, if not strictly a page turner, and it was very useful to work having seen the essence of <em>Submarine<\/em>\u2019s plot extracted for the film\u2014\u201cthe real story,\u201d as they say.<\/p>\n<p>Going back to <em>Trainspotting<\/em>, the film is so much more pacey and plot-driven, with the heistlike subplot thrown in, that it becomes quite unlike the novel, which is fractured, very higgledy-piggledy. I\u2019d say the same goes for the film version of <em>Submarine<\/em> versus the novel: in both cases, it seems key that the directors were bold enough to push out from the novels\u2014in order to make good films, primarily, but also to capture something of the original. A slavish attempt to exactly represent the source text on film always seems <em>more <\/em>of a betrayal, more unfaithful, somehow.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How involved were you in the adaptation?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I was a script consultant. But because Richard Ayoade and I had a good relationship, he ended up\u2014very sweetly, very conscientiously\u2014bypassing protocol a little bit and including me in a lot of decisions. In the beginning, we talked about all the possible directions the film could take, and I was a little involved in casting, too.<\/p>\n<p>First of all, we watched a lot of films together in his attic, looking at good versus bad voice-over. We established pretty early on that there was no real way around the film needing a voice-over, although it can be a risky maneuver onscreen\u2014the potential for clunkiness and the fact that it can just smack of laziness. So we watched Woody Allen movies, we watched <em>Goodfellas<\/em>, which has an amazing voice-over, <em>Taxi Driver<\/em>, brilliant voice-over\u2014so brilliant that if you think back to <em>Taxi Driver<\/em>, not having seen it for a while, you probably don\u2019t think of it having a voice-over at all\u2014which is a mark of its success, because it all feels like a seamless part of the representation of the protagonist\u2019s character.<\/p>\n<p><strong>It\u2019s funny to think of <em>Taxi Driver<\/em> as an influence on a quirky British teen film like <em>Submarine<\/em>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Absolutely, but it\u2019s definitely there, at least in terms of our decisions about what to retain from the text. What you notice in <em>Taxi Driver<\/em> is that the voice-over is far more about character development than the heavy hand of the director coming in and trying to move the story along. That\u2019s why it works. It\u2019s used to color an internal life that is very separate to the character you are seeing interact outwardly.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Do you know why Richard Ayoade went for the distinctive look, almost French New Wave?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s the fact he loves older films, and the French New Wave in particular, but also it has a lot to do with how Oliver views himself, which is in the pretentious tradition of French film and of romantic figures. You just can\u2019t have a romantic duffel-coated young man filmed on digital, somehow! Richard felt it had to be shot on a particular type of stock.<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s also a really beautiful touch, in that most of the action in the film takes place in the time before school and after school, so they did most of their shooting in what is known, I found out, as \u201cmagic hour.\u201d There\u2019s that soft light that makes everyone more beautiful but also fits in with the idea that, at that age, your key experiences happen in this limbo zone between home and school.<\/p>\n<p>So I suppose the whole aesthetic is led by Oliver\u2019s pretentious tastes, but that so happens also to be a very beautiful way of shooting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>That maybe overlaps with something you said in another <a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/culture\/film\/filmmakersonfilm\/8376972\/Submarine-Richard-Ayoade-and-Joe-Dunthorne-interview.html\">interview<\/a> about your writing, about wanting to avoid sentimentality, but not just for the sake of it, not just to be hip. Is there perhaps something in the filming technique\u2014kind of pretentious, but also in the end kind of beautiful\u2014that matches those concerns?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Writing, you\u2019re taught, is the battle against clich\u00e9, and that you should be totally ruthless in stripping away all hackneyed phrasing and sentimentality, and I do agree with all that. But there\u2019s a time when you think, Have I earned the right to be genuine, and to shrug off irony, cynicism, hipness possibly and just be a little bit earnest? Culturally, British people are not good at those moments of emotional honesty, and I\u2019m certainly not good at them, so I felt I was also working against those tendencies. Writing can feel like a search for a way to guiltlessly <em>allow<\/em> those moments\u2014common moments, universal moments, whatever you want to call it (and after all, coming-of-age stories must take some of their popularity from the fact that everyone has to go through their own coming of age)\u2014but to not feel like you\u2019re manipulating the reader.<\/p>\n<p><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.imdb.com\/name\/nm0175916\/\">Paddy Considine<\/a> plays Oliver\u2019s mother\u2019s old flame, who tempts her into having an affair. In the novel, he\u2019s more of a rural, alfalfa-munching hippie, whereas in the film he becomes a more modern-type of New Age guy, a motivational speaker who believes that people\u2019s aura is visible. He\u2019s almost channeling something of Tom Cruise\u2019s character in <em>Magnolia<\/em>. How comfortable were you with that sort of change?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Very comfortable. It came about through a conversation between Richard and Paddy. Paddy seems to be the kind of actor who you go to with ideas, and he would prefer to develop them rather than be told exactly what to do. With all actors you want to give them the space to bring something to the work, but it seems particularly the case with Paddy, so he and Richard developed the character together.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any point in thinking the film can do exactly what the book did, so you might as well think of it as the original text\u2019s evil twin. They may be related, but they have very different attitudes.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Novelist Joe Dunthorne\u2019s delightfully British debut, Submarine, is told from the point of view of teenager Oliver Tate, whose twin mission is to lose his virginity by his sixteenth birthday and to salvage his parents\u2019 ailing marriage. 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