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I don\u2019t remember what I was talking about, that day in class, but somehow I found myself explaining about the Shijing<\/em>. The Shijing<\/em>, I said, is the oldest anthology of Chinese poetry. The poems date back to the Zhou dynasty, which fell apart in the year 256 B.C.E.<\/small> They are not the oldest poems in the world, but they are old, old<\/i>. Most of them\u2014and definitely the ones that everybody loves and quotes\u2014sound like the lyrics to folk songs.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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My paddle keen and bright
\nFlashing with silver
\nFollow the wild goose flight
\nDip, dip and swing<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Dip, dip and swing her back
\nFlashing with silver
\nSwift as the wild goose flies
\nDip, dip and swing<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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That<\/i> is not a poem from the Shijing<\/em>. That is a chant the kids did, in canoes, during camping, when my friend Michael Robbins was a ten-year-old nature boy in Colorado (during the Zhou dynasty). I cite it because it is exactly, and I mean exactly<\/i>, like the poems in the Shijing<\/em>. Here\u2019s one. Judge for yourself:<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

<\/p>\n

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That broad and spreading sweet pear,
\ndon\u2019t hew it, don\u2019t hack it\u2014
\nLord Shao camped there.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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That broad and spreading sweet pear,
\ndon\u2019t hew it, don\u2019t harm it\u2014
\nLord Shao stopped there.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

\n

That broad and spreading sweet pear,
\ndon\u2019t hew it, don\u2019t fell it\u2014
\nLord Shao rested there.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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You\u2019ve probably actually heard of the Shijing<\/em>, just not under that name. In English, it is usually called The Book of Odes<\/i> or The Book of Songs<\/i> or The Confucian Odes<\/i> or that sort of thing. I\u2019m not fond of any of those Englishings; I think it should be translated literally: The Poetry Classic<\/i>. (That\u2019s what the jing<\/em> in Shijing<\/em> means: \u201cclassic.\u201d The Yijing<\/em>, often annoyingly rendered \u201cI Ching,\u201d is the \u201cchanges classic.\u201d The Daodejing<\/em> is the \u201cway-virtue classic.\u201d) (Don\u2019t try this at home, though. Beijing<\/em>, for instance, is not the \u201cbei classic.\u201d The jing<\/i> in Beijing<\/em> is a different jing<\/i>. And none of these things is pronounced tching<\/em>, djing<\/em>, or \u017eing<\/em>.)<\/p>\n

But I didn\u2019t say any of this in class that day. I had to move quickly because I wanted to show these Texas kids one of my very favorite pieces in the Shijing<\/em>: number 46 (\u201cQi\u00e1ng y\u01d2u c\u00ed \u2026 \u201d). And here\u2019s where the story gets good. I thought I knew the poem well enough to recite it from memory in English. I don\u2019t know it in Chinese. In fact, let\u2019s be clear: my Chinese is village-idiot level; I couldn\u2019t possibly recite it in Chinese. I thought I could recite it in English<\/i>, though, in Burton Watson\u2019s translation, which I\u2019ve read a hundred times, and over which I\u2019ve smacked my silly lips at least ninety of those times.<\/p>\n

But I didn\u2019t<\/i> remember the piece, brief as it is, anywhere near as well as I thought I would. I charged in with complete confidence, but found out right smartually that I was quite unable to retrieve the endings of any of the stanzas. So I just had to make it up as I went along. I had just told these kids,\u00a0Listen to this<\/i>, it\u2019s soooo great! So there was no going back. Also I had told them, Okay, this isn\u2019t going to be exact. But the crazy thing is, the invented stuff that came out of my mouth \u2026 was good<\/i>. The kids were impressed. Their faces brightened. They were like, Wait, what was the name of that book again?<\/p>\n

Because! What came out of my mouth was basically a legitimate translation of what the poem says\u2014it\u2019s just not word-for-word. In fact, part of what came out of my mouth wasn\u2019t even words<\/em> …<\/p>\n

Cheggitout. Here\u2019s the original poem, with Pinyin Romanization, for those of you out there who know what to do with Pinyin Romanization:<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

\"\"<\/a>\"\"<\/a><\/p>\n

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And now here\u2019s Burton Watson, never better, never more elegant. The thing I thought<\/i> I was gonna say:<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Thorn vine on the wall
\nmust not be stripped:
\nwords in the chamber
\nmust not be told.
\nWhat could be told
\nwould be the ugliest tale!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Thorn vine on the wall
\nmust not be pulled down:
\nwords in the chamber
\nmust not be recited.
\nWhat could be recited
\nwould be the longest tale!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Thorn vine on the wall
\nmust not be bundled off:
\nwords in the chamber
\nmust not be rehearsed.
\nWhat could be rehearsed
\nwould be a shameful tale!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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Right? So the beauty of the thing is they never tell you what happened in the chamber. But if those walls could speak … ! You get the picture. Okay, so now here, carefully reconstructed, using archival footage and oral testimony of eyewitnesses, is what I said, whatever day that was, spring semester, 2017:<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Thorn vine on the wall?
\nmust not be stripped.
\nWords in the chamber \u2026 ?
\nmust not be repeated.
\n\u2019Cuz what could be repeated \u2026 ?
\nUgkh. You don\u2019t wanna know.<\/p>\n

Thorn vine on the wall?
\nmust not be taken down.
\nWords in the chamber \u2026 ?
\nShhh.<\/i> That\u2019s\u2014not for you.
\n\u2019Cuz what happened in that<\/i> chamber \u2026 ?
\n[wag finger like no-no-no]
\nUh-uh. Uh-uh<\/i>.<\/p>\n

Thorn vine on the wall?
\nmust not be fucked with.
\nWords in the chamber \u2026 uuuhhh.
\n\u2019Cuz\u2014that\u00a0<\/i>\u2026 ?
\n[waving hand in front of your nose in the Mexican manner of waving off a bad smell]
\nthat? \u2026 ooh, ugkh.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

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Anthony Madrid\u00a0lives in Victoria, Texas.\u00a0His second book is\u00a0<\/em>Try Never<\/a>\u00a0(Canarium Books, 2017)<\/em>.\u00a0He is a correspondent for the\u00a0<\/em>Daily.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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